In today’s toxically polarized climate, individuals willing to engage openly in civil discourse with people they may disagree with are all too rare and merit our collective thanks. One such individual in the field of art education is Dustin Garnet. A Canadian now teaching at California State University, Los Angeles, he is also the current president of the California Art Education Association.
Dustin first learned of my decidedly contrarian viewpoint as a graduate student at Concordia University in Montreal, thanks to Professor David Pariser. As he later told me, what he particularly valued about my work was that I always offer evidence in support of my contrarian opinions and remain open to dialogue with people who disagree with me.
Convinced that art education would benefit from more debate and discussion between “young turks” like himself and traditionalists like me, he began to explore ideas for joint publication. The project was eventually realized as a special issue of the journal Visual Inquiry—to which I contributed “The lamentable consequences of blurring the boundaries” (Visual Inquiry: Learning & Teaching Art, 10:2, February 2021).
Dustin subsequently asked if I would be interested in having him interview me about my educational background. He noted that he had been “fascinated by [my] perspectives” since being introduced to them as a student by David Pariser. I gladly agreed to an informal conversation on Zoom, focusing on my educational development. In particular, Dustin wanted to learn what had led me to my contrarian position, as well as what had given me the “guts” to challenge established views.
I think readers will find the resulting conversation informative. Despite the less-than-ideal audiovisual quality and the discernible effect of Parkinson’s on my speech and demeanor, I have therefore published it on Vimeo, unedited, with Dustin’s kind assent.
The second part of our conversation has not been included, because it veered off into other topics. My answer to the question posed by Dustin just before the break is that I had no formal studies beyond the M.A. All of my education since then has been self-directed.
Two articles I mentioned that also shed light on my biographical trajectory are “Canary in the Coal Mine of America’s Future” (see esp. the section entitled “My Family’s Melting-Pot Experience”; American Greatness, August 21, 2021) and “Remembering Howard McP. Davis” (For Piero’s Sake, October 20, 2020).
One of the topics touched on in the interview (which was taped in October of last year) was my childhood experience dealing with anti-semitism. Little did I imagine how tragically current that topic would soon again become.